Comments on: A new paradigm for federated search http://federatedsearchblog.com/2009/05/27/a-new-paradigm-for-federated-search/ Covers topics related to federated search and the deep web Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:01:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gregg Boethin http://federatedsearchblog.com/2009/05/27/a-new-paradigm-for-federated-search/comment-page-1/#comment-32044 Gregg Boethin Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:10:08 +0000 http://federatedsearchblog.com/?p=508#comment-32044 I strongly agree that the natural human element needs to be included in future search engine algorithms, to ensure more accurate relevancy and popularity ratings. The problem is that, just like with link popularity, this is something that can be manipulated, and would be manipulated by those wishing to improve their search engine rankings. Even if this weren't a foreseeable issue, this is far from the end-all solution to search. I strongly agree that the natural human element needs to be included in future search engine algorithms, to ensure more accurate relevancy and popularity ratings. The problem is that, just like with link popularity, this is something that can be manipulated, and would be manipulated by those wishing to improve their search engine rankings.

Even if this weren’t a foreseeable issue, this is far from the end-all solution to search.

]]> By: Avi Rappoport, SearchTools http://federatedsearchblog.com/2009/05/27/a-new-paradigm-for-federated-search/comment-page-1/#comment-26876 Avi Rappoport, SearchTools Fri, 29 May 2009 01:09:50 +0000 http://federatedsearchblog.com/?p=508#comment-26876 This actually makes a lot of sense to me, it's a dynamic version of robots following links. However,the privacy issues can't just be hand-waved away. Some kind of anonymizing proxy or something would have to be set up. I'm going to keep thinking about it, will you keep posting? Avi This actually makes a lot of sense to me, it’s a dynamic version of robots following links. However,the privacy issues can’t just be hand-waved away. Some kind of anonymizing proxy or something would have to be set up. I’m going to keep thinking about it, will you keep posting?

Avi

]]> By: Webhamer Weblog: Search & ICT-related blogging » links for 2009-05-28 http://federatedsearchblog.com/2009/05/27/a-new-paradigm-for-federated-search/comment-page-1/#comment-26868 Webhamer Weblog: Search & ICT-related blogging » links for 2009-05-28 Thu, 28 May 2009 22:06:10 +0000 http://federatedsearchblog.com/?p=508#comment-26868 [...] A new paradigm for federated search » Federated Search Blog “The triumph of the distributed Web.” He said the aggregate power of distributed human activity will trump centralized control. His main point was that Google, and other search engines that analyze the Web and links, are much less useful than a (theoretical) search engine that knows not what people have linked to (as Google does), but rather what pages are open on people’s browsers at the moment that people are searching. “All the problems of search would be solved if search relevance was ranked by what browsers were displaying,” he said. (tags: search, searchtrends) [...] [...] A new paradigm for federated search » Federated Search Blog “The triumph of the distributed Web.” He said the aggregate power of distributed human activity will trump centralized control. His main point was that Google, and other search engines that analyze the Web and links, are much less useful than a (theoretical) search engine that knows not what people have linked to (as Google does), but rather what pages are open on people’s browsers at the moment that people are searching. “All the problems of search would be solved if search relevance was ranked by what browsers were displaying,” he said. (tags: search, searchtrends) [...]

]]> By: Edwin Stauthamer http://federatedsearchblog.com/2009/05/27/a-new-paradigm-for-federated-search/comment-page-1/#comment-26867 Edwin Stauthamer Thu, 28 May 2009 21:57:08 +0000 http://federatedsearchblog.com/?p=508#comment-26867 I like the idea but I am confused about the fact that they are calling this "federated search". In the enterprise search world we define "Federated search" as the distribution of a search action over two or more search environments. The "distributed" engines deliver results and those results are aggregated by the centralized search engine and presented to the user. I think it would be more appropriate to name the mentioned method of indexing "distributed indexing" or "federated indexing". I like the idea but I am confused about the fact that they are calling this “federated search”.

In the enterprise search world we define “Federated search” as the distribution of a search action over two or more search environments. The “distributed” engines deliver results and those results are aggregated by the centralized search engine and presented to the user.

I think it would be more appropriate to name the mentioned method of indexing “distributed indexing” or “federated indexing”.

]]> By: Paul T. Jackson http://federatedsearchblog.com/2009/05/27/a-new-paradigm-for-federated-search/comment-page-1/#comment-26845 Paul T. Jackson Thu, 28 May 2009 04:59:18 +0000 http://federatedsearchblog.com/?p=508#comment-26845 I haven't seen Daniel's blog, but one of the problems with citation indexing...ranking of articles that is done by ISI, is that the numbers sometimes relate to access; how accessible is it. The same thing would be true of such a collective index. And as for timing the time one is logged on to a particular site just documents that someone either found it interesting or someone couldn't find the information on the site they were trying to find...but kept trying. It doesn't say it was relevant to the persons original search. I haven’t seen Daniel’s blog, but one of the problems with citation indexing…ranking of articles that is done by ISI, is that the numbers sometimes relate to access; how accessible is it.
The same thing would be true of such a collective index. And as for timing the time one is logged on to a particular site just documents that someone either found it interesting or someone couldn’t find the information on the site they were trying to find…but kept trying. It doesn’t say it was relevant to the persons original search.

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://federatedsearchblog.com/2009/05/27/a-new-paradigm-for-federated-search/comment-page-1/#comment-26822 Daniel Tunkelang Wed, 27 May 2009 19:49:41 +0000 http://federatedsearchblog.com/?p=508#comment-26822 I wish I could have been there to challenge Jurvetson on some of his points--and that I could refer to a transcript to rebut them. I cover some of this on my blog: http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/04/05/google-already-knows-what-youre-thinking/ I also think that readers interested in crowd-sourcing relevance should take a look at the just-launched Topsy, which I blogged about today: http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/27/topsy-tippling-the-stream-of-conversations/ I wish I could have been there to challenge Jurvetson on some of his points–and that I could refer to a transcript to rebut them. I cover some of this on my blog:

http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/04/05/google-already-knows-what-youre-thinking/

I also think that readers interested in crowd-sourcing relevance should take a look at the just-launched Topsy, which I blogged about today:

http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/27/topsy-tippling-the-stream-of-conversations/

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