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	<title>Comments on: Beyond Federated Search – Winning the Battle and Losing the War?</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, actually, I&#039;d add that Summons existing functionality to limit your search to only articles that are in journals your local libraries collection (print or electronic)  

-- Is something entirely impossible to do with broadcast search approaches, and isn&#039;t this the kind of control Carl wants? The libraries collection decisions defining the bounds of the search?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, actually, I&#8217;d add that Summons existing functionality to limit your search to only articles that are in journals your local libraries collection (print or electronic)  </p>
<p>&#8211; Is something entirely impossible to do with broadcast search approaches, and isn&#8217;t this the kind of control Carl wants? The libraries collection decisions defining the bounds of the search?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, I think the Summon approach, which is what Carl originally wrote was a marker of our loss of control, _potentially_ provides the _technological_ means for us to regain control. 

Consider broadcast federated search. We are _stuck_ with the search packages that vendors give us. You can offer a federated search that combines a particular EBSCO db with a particular Wilson db. But there&#039;s no good way to provide a search that searches only certain journals accross both dbs -- unless EBSCO or Wilson provide packages with those journals. 

With Summon, on the other hand, _technologically_ you could provide a search accross only certain journals, perhaps organized in subject sets to YOUR liking. 

Of course, realistically, who the heck has time to create and maintain such sets of journals, accross the tens of thousands of journals that we have?  But I understand that SerSol hopes to create some themselves.  You won&#039;t have to search accross everything in Summon -- for instance, you can already limit to just things your institution has in full text. Something our users really want, and which is nearly impossible with broadcast search. 

I still don&#039;t understand why Carl or Sol think that the Summon approach will lead to less control than we have now. We already have not that much control, at the whim of our vendors. That may not be a good thing, but what makes Summon a step backwards exactly?   If we need to do meta-search somehow (and Carl already argued we did at http://federatedsearchblog.com/2008/10/27/we-don’t-really-need-metasearch…/; I agree) ...  what&#039;s Carl&#039;s suggestion of how to do it with more control?  Current broadcast search technology sure isnt&#039; doing it. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, I think the Summon approach, which is what Carl originally wrote was a marker of our loss of control, _potentially_ provides the _technological_ means for us to regain control. </p>
<p>Consider broadcast federated search. We are _stuck_ with the search packages that vendors give us. You can offer a federated search that combines a particular EBSCO db with a particular Wilson db. But there&#8217;s no good way to provide a search that searches only certain journals accross both dbs &#8212; unless EBSCO or Wilson provide packages with those journals. </p>
<p>With Summon, on the other hand, _technologically_ you could provide a search accross only certain journals, perhaps organized in subject sets to YOUR liking. </p>
<p>Of course, realistically, who the heck has time to create and maintain such sets of journals, accross the tens of thousands of journals that we have?  But I understand that SerSol hopes to create some themselves.  You won&#8217;t have to search accross everything in Summon &#8212; for instance, you can already limit to just things your institution has in full text. Something our users really want, and which is nearly impossible with broadcast search. </p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand why Carl or Sol think that the Summon approach will lead to less control than we have now. We already have not that much control, at the whim of our vendors. That may not be a good thing, but what makes Summon a step backwards exactly?   If we need to do meta-search somehow (and Carl already argued we did at <a href="http://federatedsearchblog.com/2008/10/27/we-don’t-really-need-metasearch…/" rel="nofollow">http://federatedsearchblog.com/2008/10/27/we-don’t-really-need-metasearch…/</a>; I agree) &#8230;  what&#8217;s Carl&#8217;s suggestion of how to do it with more control?  Current broadcast search technology sure isnt&#8217; doing it. </p>
<p>[cross-commented to dltj.org]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a fascinating discussion about this blog post on FriendFeed as a result of me posting it to my Delicious bookmarks.  I attempted to capture that discussion in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://dltj.org/article/beyond-federated-search-redux/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog post of my own&lt;/a&gt; that readers here may find interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a fascinating discussion about this blog post on FriendFeed as a result of me posting it to my Delicious bookmarks.  I attempted to capture that discussion in a <a href="http://dltj.org/article/beyond-federated-search-redux/" rel="nofollow">blog post of my own</a> that readers here may find interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Beyond Federated Search Redux &#124; Disruptive Library Technology Jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beyond Federated Search Redux &#124; Disruptive Library Technology Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] started with a post by Carl Grant on the Federated Search Blog: Beyond Federated Search – Winning the Battle and Losing the War?. I bookmarked this in Delicious and copied this extended quote from the text into the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] started with a post by Carl Grant on the Federated Search Blog: Beyond Federated Search – Winning the Battle and Losing the War?. I bookmarked this in Delicious and copied this extended quote from the text into the [...]</p>
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